If you truly cannot understand how one cleanly can make a call of a 7x raise preflop (in a cash game) with a hand such as 5d-4d, and take a flop, especially when that player terminates preflop action AND is in the big blind, I really want you playing at my table.
By "Really," I do in fact mean, please, sit next to me - and "good luck, ole chap!"
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I have seen several instances recently, both live and onine; hands I've been in, or observed - and some people just do not get it. Stopping short of trying to educate the masses, playing cash game is so much more than playing premium hands in a "tight, aggressive manner." There's so much more to cash play than actual pot odds.
An example or two...
UTG+1 raises preflop 7x's blinds. Button calls cleanly. I sit in the BB with 5d-4d, terminating action. Both the button and the raiser have a sizable stack. I suspect that I'm way behind preflop, but also know that the raiser seems to overplay his hands, at least some of the time. I also suspect the button "may" be calling with an ace, suited ace, or a small pocket pair and is likely playing position.
Odds are, I'm behind now, no matter how we look at it. However, investing six more BB into a pot containing 14ish BB, terminating action and the potential to win at least one stack "if" I get the right flop. On the other hand, I will lose no more if I do not get the right flop. So, I'm investing six more BB's to win at least 50 BB's, maybe even 100 BB's.
The flop just happens to come 4-4-J. I check, raiser continues, button folds. I was hoping the button would either call or raise, then I'd push. He did not, so I call cleanly, not fearing the jack. Turn is a nine. I bet out about 1/2 my remaining stack. Raiser moves allin. I insta-call, he has QQ. River delivers a redundant five.
Scenario number two, UTG (an ABC player who plays premium and semi-premium hands hard) raises 6x blinds. The button, one of the most disciplined cash game players I've sat with locally calls cleanly, as does the SB. Rubbish flop of 2-6-10 rainbowed arrives. SB bets out 10BB, UTG raises to 30BB. The button reraises minimally. The SB, who is a successful cash player as well, folds - thinking top pr is no good here. UTG reraises "putting the button all in." The button postures for a bit, and "calls his kings or aces."
Sure enough, UTG turns over his KK, thinking he's way ahead. The button turns over his 2h-6h. The turn and river fires blanks and roughly 240 BB's head over to the button. UTG goes absolutely ape shit.
Again, implied odds, and justifying of loose calls.
Again, have a seat!
Mike
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2007/05/25
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If you truly cant understand... |
2006/12/21
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Sick... |
5 handed (two tables of 5), 11 person live tourney (homegame). Starting stacks 700 chips. Blinds are 25-50, which is level 5. Pot opens to 150. Small blind calls cleanly, big blind folds. Flop comes 8c-7s-5c. SB bets out 225 into the pot of 350. Raiser comes over the top all-in. SB counts chips, has roughly 150 or so behind if he calls and loses, which he does in fact call with little thought.
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SB turns over JJ. Initial Raiser turns over the two seven not suited... Turn comes a 2 of spades, which was one of 6 cards that could have helped your's truly. The river delivers a jack (one of 8 cards that could have hurt your's truly), which effectively sucks out on the hammer, sending your hero to the rail. Sick I tell you, just plain sick!
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2006/12/11
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Didn't you say...? What the...? |
Yes, I said live casino report... twice, as a matter of fact... "So, where's the reports, right? I know, you must be a losing player... otherwise, you'd freely report on the games."
Actually, I did go 0 for 2 this past week. However, sad to disappoint, I did not have losing sessions. I had no sessions at all, as a matter of fact. (More after the break).
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This past week - one "bad beat" after another... but wait a minute, I do not believe in bad beats, only bad plays... Fair enough - two "misplayed hands" this week cost me live play.
First, the charity game and soccer night were one in the same. That left Tuesday open for me to do whatever I choose. I naturally chose to make a casino run. For a few weeks now, I've seen this bus leave from a shopping center up the road a bit. So, on Tuesday, I set the alarm, grabbed the bankroll and pushed north to hit the bus.
I board the bus and find out that we're heading to a smaller casino than the one I normally frequent when I play live. No worries though, as they do in fact have a poker room. I get there, only to find out that the card room is empty/closed. Additionally, when I start asking around, it seems that no one working during the day can tell me anything about their card room. It seems that I sit for five hours watching everyone play bingo and that ends my poorly played hand. No worries though, Saturday I am planning to go up too!
Saturday rolls around and the actor and I pack up for a 14 hour session. Our plan was to get there by noon and stay until 4am or we had no opposition, whichever came first. I considered shutting my phone off as soon as I got in the car, as I did not wish for anything to distract or de-rail my mission.
We talk strategy on the way up, passing the time in a productive manner. Five minutes prior to arrival at the casino, I hear this ever so eerie noise. For those who don't know, when my telephone rings, I have the theme song from the movie Halloween, so when I say eerie noise, I mean it.
I look down and mention to the actor that he's calling me. Of course, his house would not be calling unless it was an emergency. Sparing details, there was an "incident" and we had to turn around and head for home. Again, no live play.
I did manage to play at "the host's" house Sunday for a special edition of the "monthly game." We played .05/.10 NL for about 5 hours. We played at a full table, I was in the hole until the last hand, which I dug myself out of. I was at about a 55-60% saw flop rate. Of course, this table did not have the ideal players to implement that strategy, but no matter... I just wanted to have fun, throw some chips around and play... And play I did. I donked around and sucked out on the last hand to recoup nearly all my losses.
Charity game is tonight on the home front. CheckRayz League at Bugsy's Club on the virtual felt. I'm still looking into the answer about how leaderboard points are awarded, so as soon as I have that info, I shall pass it along to all of you.
Have a great day...
Mike
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2006/11/03
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my god, can this guy quit catchin cards...? |
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Nothing really "pretty" to anyone else about these hands, so I won't bother to run them through the hand prettifier... This is how my day's goin... And by the way, I'm catching so much right now at the table, that if (insert communicable disease of choice here) was goin around, I'd surely catch it too...
Donkey Posted Small Blind
Aggressive Guy Posted Big Blind
Dealing Cards
You Were Dealt (9s, 8s)
imjusthere4thebeer Calls
Donkey Calls
Aggressive Guy Checks
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Dealing Flop (6s,Ts,3c)
Donkey Checks
Aggressive Guy Bets
imjusthere4thebeer Calls
Donkey Folds
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Dealing Turn (3h)
Aggressive Guy Bets
imjusthere4thebeer Calls
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Dealing River (7s)
Aggressive Guy Bets
imjusthere4thebeer All In
Aggressive Guy Calls $4.62
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imjusthere4thebeer has (9s, 8s)
Aggressive Guy has (7h, 3s)
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imjusthere4thebeer Wins with : Ten High Straight Flush
Hand 2:
imjusthere4thebeer Posted Small Blind
Donkey Posted Big Blind
Dealing Cards
You Were Dealt (5h, Qc)
Aggressive Guy Calls
Folds
imjusthere4thebeer Calls
Donkey Min-Raised
Aggressive Guy Calls
imjusthere4thebeer Calls
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Dealing Flop (Td,5s,5c)
imjusthere4thebeer Checks
Donkey Bets
Aggressive Guy Folds
imjusthere4thebeer 2x Min-Raised
Donkey Calls
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Dealing Turn (4d)
imjusthere4thebeer All In
Donkey All In
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imjusthere4thebeer has (5h, Qc)
Donkey has (Kc, Th)
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Dealing River (Ac)
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imjusthere4thebeer Wins with : Three of a Kind, Fives
Donkey Sits Out